Comments on: Is vimeo droping flash as it’s video player? http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/ At the top of our game in st.Louis Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:31:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-867 Don Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:54:03 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-867 But it can be potentially incredibly expensive to NOT re-encode in Theora. The problem is that h.264 is patented and while the use restrictions on it have been fairly liberal thus far, much as mp3 has been, there's no reason why the patent holders can't change the licensing deal and start demanding royalties. And with h.264 kind of becoming the de-facto, why would they not? Of course, if they were to go with theora for html5 video tags they can still serve up an alternative flash version for older brows-- oh wai, Flash doesn't natively support ogg. Way to embrace the open web Adobe! But it can be potentially incredibly expensive to NOT re-encode in Theora. The problem is that h.264 is patented and while the use restrictions on it have been fairly liberal thus far, much as mp3 has been, there’s no reason why the patent holders can’t change the licensing deal and start demanding royalties. And with h.264 kind of becoming the de-facto, why would they not?

Of course, if they were to go with theora for html5 video tags they can still serve up an alternative flash version for older brows– oh wai, Flash doesn’t natively support ogg. Way to embrace the open web Adobe!

]]> By: Amy http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Amy Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:32:46 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-860 Flash platform is my favorite technology to work with, but if HTML5 is the new better way to create web content, then I'll switch... Technology come and go, there is nothing wrong with that. But yeah it's kind of sad. :( Flash platform is my favorite technology to work with, but if HTML5 is the new better way to create web content, then I’ll switch… Technology come and go, there is nothing wrong with that.

But yeah it’s kind of sad. :(

]]> By: Sharedtut http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-724 Sharedtut Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:24:43 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-724 This blows, I am a Flash Developer and I think flash will be the future universal platform for delivering interactive content. Just wait until Adobe figures a way out to bring flash to mobile devices then is going to be on. I'll be saying. I told you so. -Shaqtus This blows, I am a Flash Developer and I think flash will be the future universal platform for delivering interactive content. Just wait until Adobe figures a way out to bring flash
to mobile devices then is going to be on. I’ll be saying. I told you so.

-Shaqtus

]]> By: n0wak http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-708 n0wak Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:37:49 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-708 But it can be potentially incredibly expensive to NOT re-encode in Theora. The problem is that h.264 is patented and while the use restrictions on it have been fairly liberal thus far, much as mp3 has been, there's no reason why the patent holders can't change the licensing deal and start demanding royalties. And with h.264 kind of becoming the de-facto, why would they not? Of course, if they were to go with theora for html5 video tags they can still serve up an alternative flash version for older brows-- oh wai, Flash doesn't natively support ogg. Way to embrace the open web Adobe! But it can be potentially incredibly expensive to NOT re-encode in Theora. The problem is that h.264 is patented and while the use restrictions on it have been fairly liberal thus far, much as mp3 has been, there’s no reason why the patent holders can’t change the licensing deal and start demanding royalties. And with h.264 kind of becoming the de-facto, why would they not?

Of course, if they were to go with theora for html5 video tags they can still serve up an alternative flash version for older brows– oh wai, Flash doesn’t natively support ogg. Way to embrace the open web Adobe!

]]> By: smick http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-705 smick Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:39:43 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-705 I don't know if other people have this problem, but when I see Vimeo videos that are embedded in other sites, if I'm opening tabs left and right, any page that has a vimeo video, if I don't watch / initiate that video it right away, that video will not play 2 minutes later when I finally get back around to that page in it's tab. It just sits there and spins it's wheels. Seems to be telling me, "hey, you opened this page with the embedded video, you gotta use it or lose it." That's how the finnicky player is. I don't like it for that reason. Youtube vids don't have that problem. Maybe it's a firefox thing, maybe it's a Flash-in-Firefox on Windowsthing. I don't know, but if HTML5 vids play better, cool! I don’t know if other people have this problem, but when I see Vimeo videos that are embedded in other sites, if I’m opening tabs left and right, any page that has a vimeo video, if I don’t watch / initiate that video it right away, that video will not play 2 minutes later when I finally get back around to that page in it’s tab. It just sits there and spins it’s wheels. Seems to be telling me, “hey, you opened this page with the embedded video, you gotta use it or lose it.” That’s how the finnicky player is. I don’t like it for that reason. Youtube vids don’t have that problem. Maybe it’s a firefox thing, maybe it’s a Flash-in-Firefox on Windowsthing. I don’t know, but if HTML5 vids play better, cool!

]]> By: Dave http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-692 Dave Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:10:52 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-692 I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I saw the post about YouTube offering an HTML5 player as well (http://bit.ly/4vktcl). It's the same ole garbage spewing idiocracy that we saw when everyone thought the term AJAX == "Flash Killer". You just cant fix stupid :) I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I saw the post about YouTube offering an HTML5 player as well (http://bit.ly/4vktcl). It’s the same ole garbage spewing idiocracy that we saw when everyone thought the term AJAX == “Flash Killer”. You just cant fix stupid :)

]]> By: Matthew Fabb http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-691 Matthew Fabb Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:53:19 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-691 Since vimeo has positioned itself as a more high end video site, so I doubt they will drop Flash any time in the near future (next 5+ years). Adobe is continuing to push video forward in Flash, while HTML5 video tag still can't do full screen. HTML5 video is similar to Flash Player 6 video in terms of features and in the slow nature of updating across all browsers, I don't ever see it catching up. Plugins will always have an edge over browsers because of how fast new features can be included into plugins. Also many complain about Flash video taking up too many CPU cycles, but I've seen a lot of people disappointed that the speed is no better or at times worst in the browser. Once some people test it out they realize there isn't a magic speed increase that some were expecting. Also with Flash Player 10.1, Adobe is introducing video hardware acceleration, which would give a huge performance boost when it comes to video. Meanwhile, Internet Explorer doesn't support video tag at all. Perhaps in IE9? At which we will have to wait another 5 years for the majority of IE users to upgrade, seeing how IE6 users are still lingering. Also another problem with HTML5 video tag is the lack of codec standard. Both Firefox and Opera support the HTML5 video tag, but aren't supported by vimeo because they don't come with the h.264 codec, meaning vimeo would have to re-encode all of their videos in Theora. This would be incredibly expensive move with little benefit. Where I do see HTML5 video tag being used is a fall back for mobile that don't have a Flash plugin, but once again all smartphone companies, except for Apple & the iPhone should be getting Flash 10.1 sometime this year. Since vimeo has positioned itself as a more high end video site, so I doubt they will drop Flash any time in the near future (next 5+ years). Adobe is continuing to push video forward in Flash, while HTML5 video tag still can’t do full screen. HTML5 video is similar to Flash Player 6 video in terms of features and in the slow nature of updating across all browsers, I don’t ever see it catching up. Plugins will always have an edge over browsers because of how fast new features can be included into plugins.

Also many complain about Flash video taking up too many CPU cycles, but I’ve seen a lot of people disappointed that the speed is no better or at times worst in the browser. Once some people test it out they realize there isn’t a magic speed increase that some were expecting. Also with Flash Player 10.1, Adobe is introducing video hardware acceleration, which would give a huge performance boost when it comes to video.

Meanwhile, Internet Explorer doesn’t support video tag at all. Perhaps in IE9? At which we will have to wait another 5 years for the majority of IE users to upgrade, seeing how IE6 users are still lingering.

Also another problem with HTML5 video tag is the lack of codec standard. Both Firefox and Opera support the HTML5 video tag, but aren’t supported by vimeo because they don’t come with the h.264 codec, meaning vimeo would have to re-encode all of their videos in Theora. This would be incredibly expensive move with little benefit.

Where I do see HTML5 video tag being used is a fall back for mobile that don’t have a Flash plugin, but once again all smartphone companies, except for Apple & the iPhone should be getting Flash 10.1 sometime this year.

]]> By: Alex http://www.as3apex.com/flash-10/is-vimeo-droping-flash-as-its-video-player/comment-page-1/#comment-688 Alex Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:22:34 +0000 http://www.as3apex.com/?p=294#comment-688 Flash platform is my favorite technology to work with, but if HTML5 is the new better way to create web content, then I'll switch... Technology come and go, there is nothing wrong with that. But yeah it's kind of sad. :( Flash platform is my favorite technology to work with, but if HTML5 is the new better way to create web content, then I’ll switch… Technology come and go, there is nothing wrong with that.

But yeah it’s kind of sad. :(

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